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@SemAntiKast @rolle Healthcare isn't a human right, but I think I know what you mean, that everyone should have access to the healthcare that they need. I agree with that, which is why I support privatized healthcare over single-payer healthcare. (Ironically the 's healthcare isn't truly privatized but that's a conversation for another day.)

@realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast

Actually, there is a right to health according to WHO. In a sense healthcare in fact is a human right.

We have a great healthcare here in Finland, it's free or almost free, paid by taxpayer's money. I hear it's similar to Canada's. If illness or an accident happens (and it will), we won't be in debt for the rest of our lives.

I'm always amazed by the costs of healhcare in the USA. My son's birth costed us 127 euros in total (137 USD). In the USA I hear giving birth costs 18865 dollars by average! That's absolutely insane. I can't fathom how someone would think that system is not crooked.

@rolle @realcaseyrollins @SemAntiKast I'm a Texan in Finland, ask me about the healthcare if you are interested. I have seen both places.

@Linza @rolle @SemAntiKast How would you feel about state-run universal healthcare? Would you trust to run your healthcare?

I do think there's a possibility that state-run healthcare could work since it only gets really bad when you try to scale it up to a massive country. (Of course it's still not perfect, but no healthcare system is)

@realcaseyrollins @rolle @SemAntiKast The scale issue is a non-argument: the more people you have, the more resources you have, the more care you can provide. Health care absolutely scales, or there wouldn't be private commercial hospital systems, there would be individual hospitals.

And China provides one metric fuckton of public healthcare, even if we don't like their govt, their govt gets it the hell done.

@Linza @rolle @SemAntiKast That makes a lot of sense in theory, but if you have a lot more people, you will also have a lot more patients who require extremely expensive care.

@Linza @rolle @SemAntiKast

There are people whose healthcare costs for a procedure amount to $10k or more. You might be able to cover that in a smaller country, if there are only a few people who have costs that high, but if you have thousands or tens of thousands of people who need that level of care, there might be some problems.

@rolle @SemAntiKast I don't know a lot about 's system, but is actually one of the countries I was thinking of. It's notorious for having long wait times for their healthcare. They've been telling their citizens to kill themselves now because they can't afford to take care of everyone as promised.

But, I suppose to @Linza's point about the , much of this is probably due to corruption, which is also rife with.

@realcaseyrollins Isn't @WTL from Canada, is this true? That sounds absurd, I don't buy that generalization.

I've heard nothing but good about Canada's health care system. It sounds similar to ours. I've heard in Germany and Sweden it's quite similar too, mostly funded by taxes and free for low-income families and mostly free for the rest of the people. @Linza

@realcaseyrollins @rolle @WTL Yeah, if they could. Did Ipsos bother to tell them that a colonoscopy is several thousand dollars out of pocket? Or that chemo costs as much as a house and car?