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NAS needs a Jolly Roger.

Maybe some abolitionist symbolism, broken chains or something? A fractured all-seeing-eye? I don't want something that implies that we're all a homogeneous group, because we're plainly not. But I have no real ideas for how it should look. I'm a terrible artist.

Anyone with talent want to give it a go?

@eriner i have no talent, but I could give it a try.

Do you have any theme or iconography in mind?

Matt Hamilton

@Richard nope. Simplicity is probably better, mainly because it'll probably eventually be shrunken down to a 32x32 emoji, so larger is better.

@fuknukl @eriner @Richard

A combination of 1 + 2 would be great.
Instead of the triangle in 2 the eye of pic 1 with the broken chain.

@fuknukl @Wyliesau @eriner

The bottom-right one would be great if it was simplified a bit more. IF we are going for the emoji / favicon adaptability

@Richard @Wyliesau @eriner

you will need someone who is artistic to do that... these are AI generated.

@Richard @fuknukl @Wyliesau Ultimately, I'm fine with having multiple flags IF there's a full-sized one that's just TOO GOOD to pass up.

But I def want one that will work as an emoji and favicon

@fuknukl @eriner @Richard

Nice,
but i meant more in the style of those two

@fuknukl @eriner @Richard

Hard to say, but this one i like the best.
The chain could be better and the lower bar of the triangle looks odd

@Wyliesau @fuknukl @eriner @Richard or the eye in the middle of the barbwire.

@eriner partial to any particular 2 or 3 colors?

@Richard nah, full creative license. I'll probably know "it" when I see it (though I'll probably put it up for a vote anyway), but I'm too untalented to give artistic guidance.

@eriner first draft, feel free to select other colors

@eriner obv super simple and minimalist. I'd be sort of shocked if this was already a symbol for something else

@Richard yellow and black makes me think of Libertarians, which I don't recoil to. Were it black on red or yellow or red or something, I'd probably physically recoil and assume you were intentionally trolling.

@eriner i resisted the urge to go for the obv meme submission

@Richard @eriner

What about an all seeing eye with a NA.S labeled hand poking it in the cornea?

@eriner @Richard I’m down for a pirate flag. Ofcourse im a Raider fan. 🤷‍♂️

@Richard @eriner

Just a slightly different version.

@Richard is it easy to swap the yellow out for ?

I tried the paint bucket but the dithering leaves 2 yellow-gray lines that would be tedious for me to fix by hand (because I'm a gimp amateur and don't know how to do it "right").

I think this design is the winner, but I might put the colors up for a vote. Yellow looks good, so does blue (a shade darker than what @LCCMV had posted in his edit). I can't decide.

@eriner @LCCMV yeah, no problem. Give me a min. I'm afk.

@eriner Yeah, changing colors is easy.

LMK what other combos you want.

@Richard @eriner

Combo of chains and barb wire?

@Richard @eriner

Another type of barbed wire:

@Faelyn @eriner technically that is concertina wire

@Faelyn @Richard @eriner

That‘s the good stuff one of my neighbors has around his place (hiden in the bushes) 😬

@Wyliesau @Faelyn @Richard Sounds like a good way to keep the deer off my blackberry bushes

@eriner @Faelyn @Richard

It kept me out after i wanted to get back a soccer ball 🙄
And i needed some patches afterwards to stop the bleeding.

@eriner @Wyliesau @Faelyn you know that the electrified nylon wire can apparently work too?

a lot of animals seem to be able to 'detect' the wires when they are on and avoid them

Probably can hear it to be honest, either that it feel it with their hair.

@Dudebro @eriner @Faelyn @Wyliesau

I saw it at the neighbors, he had it strung around his raised beds like 6" off the ground. I was like, what is that for?

"Deer."

I must of had a look on my face like i was waiting for the punchline, then he explained it.

@Dudebro @Faelyn @Richard @Wyliesau that, or they have electromagnetic senses that we can't understand or quantify. I know some people posit that bees are attracted to flowers not exclusively by color, but by sensing of electrical charge. If this is true for bees, then there's no reason to suspect that other animals might have a similar sense that we don't know about because it's not outwardly and obviously expressed.

Ex: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/

PubMed Central (PMC)The bee, the flower, and the electric field: electric ecology and aerial electroreceptionBees and flowering plants have a long-standing and remarkable co-evolutionary history. Flowers and bees evolved traits that enable pollination, a process that is as important to plants as it is for pollinating insects. From the sensory ecological viewpoint, ...

@eriner @Dudebro @Faelyn @Richard @Wyliesau

Cryptochrome cells are understood to be an animals' magnetic field sensors. Bird use these to navigate and humans have them too (there is a study on humans orienting themselves in sense-deprived environments). That part is weak for us though. They mostly have to do with setting our circadian clocks.

This is an awesome (and mostly related) read:
worldscientific.com/worldscibo

@Richard @eriner @Faelyn

Ah those 🤣
i have unpleasant experiences with them too 🤣😂🤣

I don’t know for sure but i was not very good with fences as a free range kid 🤣

@Richard @eriner @Wyliesau

Yowl! We had electric fences around our pastures. Now first off, we kept the lowest wire just above the dogs tails when they put them straight up. Next these wires were pulsating wires. Birds could sit all day on them & wouldn't be affected. But if ya leaned into one sooner than later you got a punch! just like a heavyweight swinging at ya. Now, who do you think would slip in the mud around these fences & reflectively reach out and grab one to keep one's balance?😂

@Faelyn @Richard @eriner

I have one better.

We had two small ponies and an e-fence around the property.
One morning, in the summer holidays, i fed the ponies and had to pee.
I was about 5 feet away from the fence but the grass was quite high and wet in the morning.
Some grass touched the lowest wire.
When i peed it somehow connected ….. the rest is nsfw
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@Faelyn @Richard @eriner

True story, i was about 12
It hurt AF

🤣😂🤣