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Nikki Haley's family could only immigrate because Black civil rights leaders reformed America's racist immigration laws in 1965 to allow Asians to immigrate. Her father then taught at an HBCU.

For her to ignore slavery as the root of the civil war & now claim America was never at all racist is a level of anti-Black racism we typically only see from actual Nazis & KKK members. Truly horrifying.

@QasimRashid

There has never been a basis for Salvery as the root of the Civil War. This is the big lie.

Read the various versions of the Cornerstone Speech as well as the notes made after the fact by the speaker. It gives a much more detailed understanding of the causes of the Civil War.

Throughout the US there was the belief, including among black Americans, that whites were superior to Blacks. Our sensibilities today have changed. We should see our progression, not listen to lies.

@Arthur_500 There is no way to look at this text that goes on and on about how important slavery is, how unfair it is that the national government doesn't live up to its promise to allow slavery and how there's a tension between slaveholding and non-slaveholding states, and draw the conclusion "so, it wasn't actually about slavery".

en.wikisource.org/wiki/Declara…

It's a long preamble, here's why the states united, bla bla, then it gets to the core. The other states promised we could have slaves, but they're not catching them for us when they escape.

"This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made."

It then goes on to say that soon an abolitionist party will come to power and they will come for our slaves, so we're out.

It. Was. About. Slavery.

Any claim to the contrary is plain misinformation.

@QasimRashid

en.wikisource.orgDeclaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union - Wikisource, the free online library

@clacke @QasimRashid

When there are ten tons on your back and slavery is added on, it becomes the straw that breaks the camels back. To ignore the fracts and the history and the documents and the speeches and the ratifying conventions, is to ignore education and simply say, "Slavery" like so many zombies.

@Arthur_500 To say "not slavery" you have to ignore the ignore the facts and the history and the documents and the speeches.

Of course there are details to it, there always are, the particular paths people took to get to where they eventually arrived, but there is no other issue more central, no other issue that pops up everywhere, than slavery.

The Constitution and the Union with their compromises were built on a crime against humanity, and finally enough people couldn't look away, and enough people were dependent on that crime and couldn't give it up, that something had to give.

@QasimRashid

@clacke @QasimRashid

The Constitution is mute on slavery. Of course if you ask a racist, they will tell you eveything is racist.
When black people owned black slaves we are told it never happened. Slavery was part of world history. We can disagree with that today but that is because we have changed history.
What hasn't changed is using the gubmint to steal from Peter the desire by many to end slavery wasw to get rid of black people and more jobs for whites. Why is that not discussed?

@Arthur_500 I have no idea where this thread is going now, but this is my stop, I'm getting off.

Thank you for sticking with me this far, and thank you for keeping it civil.