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@RoboftheVolcano there are some jobs you have to get a degree for that are worth it. Usually in science, medical, law, or engineering.

BUT most people would be better off learning a trade or doing an apprenticeship.

@Richard Lots of idiots have huge debt for worthless degrees.

@RoboftheVolcano tell me about it. I said most. Lol

@Richard @RoboftheVolcano those apprenticeship wages are pretty generous. I’m currently finishing up my in class portion of my 4th year electrician apprenticeship training, and there’s guys still making less than 20-25 an hour pulling loomex in houses and apartments

@Richard @RoboftheVolcano I suppose you’re right about that.

But working with the people who would otherwise be getting a liberal arts degree isn’t fun either.

@Judgement_Dave @Richard I think it depends where in the Country you are. I am in Hawaii our cost of living is pretty high.

@RoboftheVolcano @Richard I’m in Vancouver Canada and I’d like to echo this point as well.

@Judgement_Dave @Richard @RoboftheVolcano

Pay is definitely area dependent. I was a Union Carpenter up in Chicago and our rate was $50/hour

When I moved to TN, rate for journeymen is $25-26…….which fueled my decision to get out of the union and do my own thing :)

I remember seeing a chart where Ca and NY had the highest union wages for journeymen in any trade.

@KobaApeLeader1 @Richard @RoboftheVolcano

I’m in British Columbia Canada. Union wage is around 48 for a j man sparky. I’ve heard San Francisco j man rate is like 75 us. I’m sure it’s regional as well as what cost of living is.

@RoboftheVolcano that’s how much my instate tuition was in the early 90s. And didn’t include food housing books etc

@RoboftheVolcano nobody gonna question $39k in raises over 3 years? That’s some bullshit right there.

@RoboftheVolcano I really wish I'd gone into a trade, probably automotive mechanics, instead of going to uni
@RoboftheVolcano i enjoy my degree but i shouldve just went into trade and learn it in my free time lmao then go to uni when i can pay for tuition without paying out for debt lmao

@RoboftheVolcano Honestly, this is pretty spot on! I work in networking myself, and with no degree what so ever, I make roughly $40k/yr, and for $200 I could get a CCNA, coupled with my work experience so the field, I could bounce that up to $70k/yr. At which point I could pay my own way through college.

@RoboftheVolcano I've done both and I can, hand on heart, say the apprenticeship was much more useful. Too bad they're not offered much here any more.

@RoboftheVolcano

Not to mention many people learn so much better from hands on training vs classroom theory.

@RoboftheVolcano@noauthority.social You get a 100% raise over the course of 4 years as an apprentice?

@RoboftheVolcano Apprentices get paid that much in the US??? In the UK they get the equivalent of $6.67 an hour

University in the UK is the equivalent of $12,000 a year too :marseysob: