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Unpopular opinion: You should have the same right to shoot a cop as you do an ordinary citizen should they illegally threaten your life.

You do.

The question is legal vs illegal.

If a cop busts down your door for no reason and tried to kidnap your wife. You absolutely have the right in many states to shoot the intruder.

@e3aefda887252a72cee3578d33b2dcd90e9fe53b8bed6347ef5e26f74211adbb

Unfortunately you dont. A cop has qualified immunity which means if they shoot someone doing something illegal they can get away with a lot more than a private citizen might should they make a mistake. For example if I saw a cop choking someone to death and i pulled out my gun and shot him in the head, and the other cops then pulled out their guns and shot me dead, those other cops would likely get away with it on qualified immunity since they are reacting within the moment. Which means the consequence for me to shoot a cop is to be murdered on the scene with little or no consequence to those murdering me, a cop however could get away with the same act and should he be shot dead the person killing him would likely get in trouble.

black6

@freemo @e3aefda887252a72cee3578d33b2dcd90e9fe53b8bed6347ef5e26f74211adbb Just because a gang of criminals doesn't share in the belief, that doesn't mean the right doesn't exist.

It all makes sense when you realize that the police exist to protect criminals from vigilante justice.

@black6 @e3aefda887252a72cee3578d33b2dcd90e9fe53b8bed6347ef5e26f74211adbb

No but the fact that qualified immunity is codified into law **does** mean the right doesnt exist.

The definition of a right (that is being used here) is: legal entitlement to have or obtain something or to act in a certain way.

Ergo since the law does not give me the same right as cops to defend my life means the cop have a right (to qualified immunity) that I do not, and thus we do not have the same rights.

Nobody has the right to shoot someone else and infringe on the rights of another person. Cops don't either. There are specific laws and rules in our society that dictate which ways and situations are ok to violate the other person. Ie: they were choking you illegally or similar. You can disagree that this should be the case, but nevertheless, here we are. It isn't about rights. In many places you will go to jail for killing someone, unless you prove self defense. Same against a cop.

Reason has a good story on a recent case last year.

https://reason.com/2023/11/07/he-allegedly-killed-a-cop-during-a-no-knock-raid-will-the-jury-agree-it-was-self-defense/

I haven't followed up however.
Reason.com · He Killed a Cop During a No-Knock Raid. Will the Jury Agree It Was Self-Defense?By Billy Binion