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@eriner @sun If the majority wants to eat babies, you don't have to eat babies, but it also means that's what the majority (or at least a large portion) wants to, so there's no point in complaining. If you don't like being around baby eaters, you leave.

I live in Norway and if the majority of Norwegians make something important to me illegal, I'd throw myself over to Finland or Iceland instead.

I will admit that large overarching entities deciding on laws is a bit stupid. For example if the northern half of the EU votes in favor of making something illegal, the entire south of the EU could get something important to them banned. Same applies to the US. But it doesn't change the fundamental fact that if you're a non baby eater in a baby eating jurisdiction, you either accept eating babies or you should go somewhere else.
@quad @eriner i think its ok to explore non pure-democracy systems but its lame that pro democracy ppl in the usa bleat about majority rule until it does something they don't like. aral is a little different than that, but he is talking about american democracy i think
@sun @eriner to be fair america's democracy is absolutely fucked.

american politics isn't politics to them, it's basically a religion. you're either a red believer or a blue believer with a couple of people in the middle swinging the pendulum. it's bizzare
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@quad @sun

> Norwegian calling American politics "democracy" is in a thread critical of a Turkish man living in Ireland who constantly complains about American politics

We must go deeper!

@eriner @sun i honestly find it really funny that america who constantly brags about their democracy, pretty much just flips a coin every 4 years to see if the country is going to collapse a lot or just collapse a little

@quad @sun

> constantly brags about their democracy

The only Americans I know of who do this are retards and politicians. (Please excuse my redundancy).

@eriner @sun i know, but they're the loudest ones
@quad @eriner is that not actually democratic or is european democracy not based on voting that roughly conforms to majority rule? or do you just mean in practice the usa is always close to collapsing no matter who wins
@sun @eriner mostly the latter. as far as i understood, there's a good amount of people who voted for trump not because they agree with him, just because they disagreed more with democrats

i will admit that i do mostly ignore american politics though, so I'm not the best person to ask for a nuanced opinion on this
@quad @eriner no problem.

yes I think trump won mainly because when people are really dissatisfied with the government they will vote out the ruling party even if they don't agree with the alternative party
@sun @quad @eriner
can't call something majority rule even when there are two options selected by unelected comity, like half of adults don't have a vote counted, and everyone who gets elected then consistently votes against majority-popular policies
@ageha @quad @eriner I was just picking out of a list of common european objections to try to signal that I am aware of them. I understand your objections except for the non-voting half
@sun @quad @eriner
ah, that mean is lots people prevented from voting and others don't want anything available
@ageha @quad @eriner it's unsolvable because if you can't/won't even just plan around one vote every couple years then that is already so much less work you won't do than the work it takes to get good candidates. I think the truth is that most people just don't want to think about the political process at all and that's normal, it's bad in the long run but that's why we used to just have kings because you have your own life and you just accepted that other people told you what to do. even with political franchise and the will to execute it it's pretty exhausting and the candidates are still poor and you still don't have much control over your life. power attracts pathological personalities and normal people are disgusted by that when they see it on naked display and don't want anything to do with it.