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@PNS @CrimeaRiver the wants of a 20 year old and the needs of a 50 year old are completely different

the 50 year old probably has a wife and kids that he'd rather spend time with than looking at a bunch of ham beast women and faggy dudes in an office
Joel [Minnesota]

@dictatordave @PNS @CrimeaRiver For me, it is commute time. 8 hours plus 1-3 hours of travel. Work is now taking over half my day.
Going into the office is nice, issues get brought up that wouldn't be otherwise. No matter how good teleconference tech is, it can't match normal human face to face talking.

@fkq1q2r2 @PNS @CrimeaRiver the commute thing is a big factor, and its funny how the 15 minute shitty, fake green crowd doesn't latch onto it

i find the opposite to be true in my field and experience
we used to have this dumb mentality of going and sitting down in a field trailer with paper prints, like that was going to solve anything in any kind of efficient manner, then i went through the period of delusion where it was thought that having cad guys in a field trailer, basically forced to work together, would work, guess what, it doesn't

its def a field specific thing but for drafting there's zero need to be around other cad guys, its not like the 3 of us in our office ever work the same projects, and its not like we couldn't send an email if someone had a question about something, in fact email is preferable to people just showing up thinking they're important and need to be addressed right then and there

@dictatordave @CrimeaRiver @fkq1q2r2 @PNS Let's not sleep on the fact these corps are sitting on tons of basically worthless commercial real estate as we're on the brink of a bubble in said industry so there's another reason boomer CEOs are so opposed to WFH. They want the warm bodies in the spaces since they're paying for it no matter what.

@ZeroSum06 @CrimeaRiver @fkq1q2r2 @PNS yea i guess it depends company to company
imo big brick and morter retail places are dead already and just dont know it, and i think a lot of physical retail of the future will be more specialized, so less big box/department stores essentially

i had thought about this the other day how economic down turns after big box stores have invested in the infrastructure can be good, my local area has seen an old kmart turn into half a gym, that's always packed so that's good, and half is a locally owned hardware store, and that's rad too, without the kmart and acme anchors i dont think you would have the shopping center at all.

the biggest thing to take away from all of this is that each sector of commerce is different, each sector moves somewhat independent of each other, and clearly a 1 size fits all, federal thinking sort of approach wont work

i still maintain there's no reason for me a cad guy, just for example, needs to be in the office all week. we dont even print a lot of stuff anymore.

@dictatordave @ZeroSum06 @CrimeaRiver @PNS
I think it comes back to inflation and overvalueation of real estate. When property, rent, insurance all go up by 10% year over year, the cost has to be sent somewhere. And that's back to the consumer. The largest consumer of physical spaces historicaly in America have been teens and early 20's which also have the least disposable income. Without the 3rd space to build habits early on, it isn't used as an adult.