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Some of y'all aren't going to like this one, but the truth hurts.

Government is just secular religion, and religion is just old-school government.

Both rule by fear, indoctrination, and blind allegiance to an unquantifiable entity.

@eriner how is government not a quantifiable entity? And I don't feel ruled by fear from God at all. And God never indoctrinated me either, I walked my own path. I rejected the premise, was an atheist for decades, until I realized I needed to defend by position, reaching for the truth, for the origins, led me back.

I became to believe in Jesus because his words are so pure and filled with truth. I also do not like to call myself a Christian becuase then I take on sins of the "Church"'s

@Zahadoom ah yes, God doesn't rule by fear.

Of course not.

He just allows his ex-disciple Satan to punish everyone who doesn't prostrate themselves before God with ETERNAL HELLFIRE AND AGONY.

Bunnyslope

@eriner @Zahadoom I don’t disagree with your primary tenets. However, Hell doesn’t exist in the Old Testament, nor in Judaism (and probably other religions).

@Bunnyslope Yes, in the Old Testament Hell was literally on earth.

Plagues of locusts. If God didn't like you he would tell you to murder your first born child and if you didn't, he was going to punish you and your family because he's God and you're just an ant.

Actually, in that particular case he tortured Abraham anyway just for Lols.

If God is real, he's sick, evil, and this is Hell.

@eriner @Bunnyslope > If God didn't like you he would tell you to murder your first born child

He did this to Abraham and he loved Abraham most of all lol
@Moon @eriner @Bunnyslope tfw people who get abortions are the most loved by god
@Tepid_Tapir @Moon @eriner @Bunnyslope God has been very consistent in His hatred of human sacrifice especially child sacrifice.

Abraham was tested by God to choose what was more important to him, the son he had waited his whole life for or God. A very harsh test for sure but it shouldn't be understood as "God wants you to murder babies".
@Crux_Invictus @Moon @eriner @Bunnyslope But in that case he did.

Didn't he also kill a bunch of first born sons? Or am I thinking of someone else?
@Tepid_Tapir @Moon @eriner @Bunnyslope He tested Abraham and war is not human sacrifice.

Egypt was at war with God, do you expect Him to pull His punches especially after they rejected His terms multiple times?

@Crux_Invictus @Bunnyslope @Tepid_Tapir @Moon

> Egypt was at war with God

"All right y'all Egyptians have fucked with my ass too much.

"Y'all have rejected my terms of total servitude and slavery too many times.

"I'm gonna take it out on this guy Abraham who had nothing to do with any of that and make him think he has to kill his kid (lol).

"I am a loving and merciful God, am I not?"

@eriner @Bunnyslope @Tepid_Tapir @Moon Have you actually read the Bible? Since you're mixing up Genesis and Exodus I doubt it.
@Crux_Invictus @eriner @Bunnyslope @Tepid_Tapir @Moon I haven't seen a hellthread in a while please continue.
@eriner @Crux_Invictus @Bunnyslope @Moon TBH I think old God was a lot meaner than new God
Christ understands because He lived as one of us.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

Same God.

If anything, God was a lot more permissive in the old testament
Doesn't it say somewhere that God only winked at the sins of other nations in the past? And then after Christ all nations are judged

@ThatMushroom @tyler @Bunnyslope @eriner @Tepid_Tapir @Moon I believe you're thinking of Acts 17 where St Paul addresses the Areopagus:

30 "The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

@ThatMushroom @tyler @Bunnyslope @eriner @Tepid_Tapir @Moon The KJV of verse 30 translates overlooked as winked:

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"

Which might be what you're remembering.

Sounds familiar but I can't remember a chapter and verse.

I need to work on my interactive semantic search function for my kjv api.

It works, I just need to interface it.

@Moon @Bunnyslope

yez

> Actually, in that particular case he tortured Abraham anyway just for Lols.

@eriner I didn’t say he wasn’t a vengeful God. He absolutely was in the OT. Just that the concept of Hell is a newer idea.

@Bunnyslope @eriner The Popular Concept of Hell is more Dante's Inferno than it is Scriptural.

@Bunnyslope @eriner @Zahadoom
hell isn't really in the protestant bible either. jesus of mark and matthew says "god (who is not me) is coming imminently. i will lead you to a good path that will get you into the kingdom of heaven (god's reign on earth). but if you don't do good things then when god comes he will destroy you (cast out / burnt up etc). then salvation stuff and heaven got added after that when they realised it had been too long and god wasn't coming, and jesus became god himself instead of just messenger
@Bunnyslope @Zahadoom @eriner
sorry, at the end there meant to say "but hell that people talk about, like dante and all, was invented later after biblical stuff

@ageha @Zahadoom @eriner Catholic doctrine now defines Hell as the absence of God and His grace. So not the Hell of the Middle Ages.