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Matt Hamilton

Some of y'all aren't going to like this one, but the truth hurts.

Government is just secular religion, and religion is just old-school government.

Both rule by fear, indoctrination, and blind allegiance to an unquantifiable entity.

@eriner government is a super human apparatus staffed with murderous psychopaths with an intent to fuck every last living thing in the ass.

@eriner both systems are almost required because most people are too retarded to be moral without threat of punishment. Be it prison or eternal damnation.

@Richard many people say this.

"But without government, what would happen to the bad guys!?!"

Well, they'd have their day(s) for a while, then they'd get shot in the face by people who aren't fucking around and aren't afraid of government goons coming to kidnap and imprison them for defending themselves.

@eriner yeah, I'm not saying that.

@Richard Yes, I was just extrapolating the argument "you have to have government or religion because people will be immoral [and lead to chaos]".

@eriner my point is more about how long it took me to realize how many good "normal" religious people would be far worse people if they didn't actually think hell was waiting.

My parents tried to raise me religiously, it didn't take, but i loved to read the ancient philosophers and their moral framworks etc... i think anyone thst met me would think i was a "good christian" if the subject never came up....

@eriner
I don't know what ther term is but it is that thing where you almost always forget that not everyone is like you, so you can't understand why they are retarded basically.

Aka the world would be a lot more chaotic and littered with corpses if something didnt keep retards in check.

@eriner @Richard
Yes.

Wild West Law.

Community Standards.

Posses and Getting Run Out Of Town Permanently, etc.

Ain't Pretty, but It worked for Decades.

@Richard @eriner Truth. I would be killing so many people if I thought I could get away with it.

@Tepid_Tapir @eriner a lot of people do, look at chicago. 20 peple killed per weekend? They aren't arresting 20 suspects per weekend.

@eriner how is government not a quantifiable entity? And I don't feel ruled by fear from God at all. And God never indoctrinated me either, I walked my own path. I rejected the premise, was an atheist for decades, until I realized I needed to defend by position, reaching for the truth, for the origins, led me back.

I became to believe in Jesus because his words are so pure and filled with truth. I also do not like to call myself a Christian becuase then I take on sins of the "Church"'s

@Zahadoom ah yes, God doesn't rule by fear.

Of course not.

He just allows his ex-disciple Satan to punish everyone who doesn't prostrate themselves before God with ETERNAL HELLFIRE AND AGONY.

@eriner this won't be a popular option, but you aren't born yet.

We are in God's womb or nuts sack.

I struggled with exactly your thoughts for years, how does a loving God let terrible things happen, why are we here ruled over by Satan.

We are in a machine. Did you ever watch star trek? Do you know about the Q war?

@Zahadoom If you're going to lay some Matrix "this is a simulation" shit down on me, I've heard it before.

If God is real, we're living in Hell already.

@eriner Simulation doesn't really do Earth justice. And clearly you've seen the beauty in this world, the symmetry.

I get this place can feel like Hell at times.

So what/where do you think we are Matt? The everything and the nothingness just spontaneously appeared, exploded and evolution?

@Zahadoom I've already told you.

We're in Hell.

The water is fine.

@eriner So God does exist and your just not happy with your surroundings..

Have you watched Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and Eon explanation of why God created everything?

How would you go about creating free thought intelligent children that had morals and restraint?

@eriner @Zahadoom I don’t disagree with your primary tenets. However, Hell doesn’t exist in the Old Testament, nor in Judaism (and probably other religions).

@Bunnyslope Yes, in the Old Testament Hell was literally on earth.

Plagues of locusts. If God didn't like you he would tell you to murder your first born child and if you didn't, he was going to punish you and your family because he's God and you're just an ant.

Actually, in that particular case he tortured Abraham anyway just for Lols.

If God is real, he's sick, evil, and this is Hell.

@eriner @Bunnyslope > If God didn't like you he would tell you to murder your first born child

He did this to Abraham and he loved Abraham most of all lol
@Moon @eriner @Bunnyslope tfw people who get abortions are the most loved by god
@Tepid_Tapir @Moon @eriner @Bunnyslope God has been very consistent in His hatred of human sacrifice especially child sacrifice.

Abraham was tested by God to choose what was more important to him, the son he had waited his whole life for or God. A very harsh test for sure but it shouldn't be understood as "God wants you to murder babies".
@Crux_Invictus @Moon @eriner @Bunnyslope But in that case he did.

Didn't he also kill a bunch of first born sons? Or am I thinking of someone else?
@Tepid_Tapir @Moon @eriner @Bunnyslope He tested Abraham and war is not human sacrifice.

Egypt was at war with God, do you expect Him to pull His punches especially after they rejected His terms multiple times?

@Crux_Invictus @Bunnyslope @Tepid_Tapir @Moon

> Egypt was at war with God

"All right y'all Egyptians have fucked with my ass too much.

"Y'all have rejected my terms of total servitude and slavery too many times.

"I'm gonna take it out on this guy Abraham who had nothing to do with any of that and make him think he has to kill his kid (lol).

"I am a loving and merciful God, am I not?"

@eriner @Bunnyslope @Tepid_Tapir @Moon Have you actually read the Bible? Since you're mixing up Genesis and Exodus I doubt it.
@Crux_Invictus @eriner @Bunnyslope @Tepid_Tapir @Moon I haven't seen a hellthread in a while please continue.
@eriner @Crux_Invictus @Bunnyslope @Moon TBH I think old God was a lot meaner than new God
Christ understands because He lived as one of us.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

Same God.

If anything, God was a lot more permissive in the old testament
Doesn't it say somewhere that God only winked at the sins of other nations in the past? And then after Christ all nations are judged

@ThatMushroom @tyler @Bunnyslope @eriner @Tepid_Tapir @Moon I believe you're thinking of Acts 17 where St Paul addresses the Areopagus:

30 "The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

@ThatMushroom @tyler @Bunnyslope @eriner @Tepid_Tapir @Moon The KJV of verse 30 translates overlooked as winked:

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"

Which might be what you're remembering.

Sounds familiar but I can't remember a chapter and verse.

I need to work on my interactive semantic search function for my kjv api.

It works, I just need to interface it.

@Moon @Bunnyslope

yez

> Actually, in that particular case he tortured Abraham anyway just for Lols.

@eriner I didn’t say he wasn’t a vengeful God. He absolutely was in the OT. Just that the concept of Hell is a newer idea.

@Bunnyslope @eriner The Popular Concept of Hell is more Dante's Inferno than it is Scriptural.

@Bunnyslope @eriner @Zahadoom
hell isn't really in the protestant bible either. jesus of mark and matthew says "god (who is not me) is coming imminently. i will lead you to a good path that will get you into the kingdom of heaven (god's reign on earth). but if you don't do good things then when god comes he will destroy you (cast out / burnt up etc). then salvation stuff and heaven got added after that when they realised it had been too long and god wasn't coming, and jesus became god himself instead of just messenger
@Bunnyslope @Zahadoom @eriner
sorry, at the end there meant to say "but hell that people talk about, like dante and all, was invented later after biblical stuff

@ageha @Zahadoom @eriner Catholic doctrine now defines Hell as the absence of God and His grace. So not the Hell of the Middle Ages.

@eriner @Zahadoom >God brings eternal justice for the wicked

um, BASED

@eriner I've also come to an understanding that the direction given to us, the so called laws and rules in the Bible are not for God, but are for us to live better lives. If you want a clean concise, to sleep soundly at night, the rules to live by, and to have faith, are incredible gifts for us.

@eriner While some governments intentionally make it unquantifiable (democratic republics with hidden, powerful lobbyists, for example), straight dictatorships and oligarchies are very quantifiable.

@Meachamus_Prime yes. This is why I would rather be ruled by a dictator than the US' system of government. You'd know whose head to spike. This is also the same reason that England has a fake parliament. "The King isn't *really* in charge, it's our neighbors grabbing for power that are the problem!"

@eriner @Meachamus_Prime Rome had a dictator, and emperors, not all were great, but a lot were.

And about England: you seem like the type to know, i haven't looked into it for years, but there was some report [whitehall papers] that basically confirmed, with examples, that all the parlimentary shit was still pushed, approved, and vetoed by the Queen.

@Richard @Meachamus_Prime

> you seem like the type to know

I'm not sure if I should interpret this as an insult like when @jazzilla called me British.

Regardless, yes I believe that England is ruled by the Monarchy and that the parliament is just populous appeasement.

@eriner @Meachamus_Prime @jazzilla i just thought you would know because it seems like something you would have read. Now I'm going to have to find it again :(

Ps that's just jazzilla's code for jew, he was trying to sniff you out as a fellow tribesmen. Lol

@Richard
Richard is just pissed off he's getting his ass kicked by Brits.
He finds their bait most tasty, tho.

@eriner @Meachamus_Prime

@eriner @Richard @jazzilla

"This is why I would rather be ruled by a dictator than the US' system of government. You'd know whose head to spike."

Yeah, but you'd still need popular support to have a chance at spiking him/her/it. That and an open, speedy communication medium.

It all comes down to Cypher's dilemma. Blissful ignorance? Or knowledgeable obligation?

@eriner When the future the far-right or far-left government comes to kill you and God throws you in Gehenna while you impotently pontificate negatively about power brokers, I'm going to sit back and laugh.
@SuperSnekFriend @eriner Just remember, "snowball's chance in hell" is wrong because there is a chance you will end up in the 9th circle of hell for bretrayal.

@eriner

I imagine how "embarrassing" this thread would have been one month ago.